Akakiru
- Nov 6, 2024
- #1
What if pjo's Zeus' difference of power with the other gods was as great as it is in the illiad (with the other gods keeping their canon PJO strength)
Quote about Iliad Zeus.
Now as the Dawn flung out her golden robe across the earth
Zeus who loves the lightning summoned all the gods
to assembly on the topmost peak of ridged Olympus.
He harangued the immortals hanging on his words:
"Hear me, all you gods and all goddesses too,
as I proclaim what the heart inside me urges.
Let no lovely goddess—and no god either—
try to fight against my strict decree.
All submit to it now, so all the more quickly
I can bring this violent business to an end.
And any god I catch, breaking ranks with us,
eager to go and help the Trojans or Achaeans—
back he comes to Olympus, whipped by the lightning,
eternally disgraced. Or I will snatch and hurl him
down to the murk of Tartarus half the world away,
the deepest gulf that yawns beneath the ground,
there where the iron gates and brazen threshold loom,
as far below the House of Death as the sky rides over earth—
then he will know how far my power tops all other gods'
Come, try me, immortals, so all of you can learn.
Hang a great golden cable down from the heavens,
lay hold of it, all you gods, all goddesses too:
you can never drag me down from sky to earth,
not Zeus, the highest, mightiest king of kings,
not even if you worked yourselves to death.
But whenever I'd set my mind to drag you up,
in deadly earnest, I'd hoist you all with ease,
you and the earth, you and the sea, all together,
then loop that golden cable round a horn of Olympus,
bind it fast and leave the whole world dangling in mid-air—
that is how far I tower over the gods, I tower over men."
Acolyte
- Nov 8, 2024
- #2
It is. Only posidon and hades can challange him and thats only because they have their own domains. I am pretty sure he is still stronger then them.
Akakiru
- Nov 8, 2024
- #3
Acolyte said:
It is. Only posidon and hades can challange him and thats only because they have their own domains. I am pretty sure he is still stronger then them.
I mean, the point of the quote is that Zeus can't be challenged by the other gods.
Like, he didn't say "next to my brothers", he said "you all at once against me isn't even a contest".
PJO belittles Zeus by even considering Poseidon as a rival, the male Kronidae are comparable in dignity because they share the world in threes, but the Iliad quote is accurate, Zeus would not be threatened.
Acolyte
- Nov 8, 2024
- #4
Akakiru said:
I mean, the point of the quote is that Zeus can't be challenged by the other gods.
Like, he didn't say "next to my brothers", he said "you all at once against me isn't even a contest".
PJO belittles Zeus by even considering Poseidon as a rival, the male Kronidae are comparable in dignity because they share the world in threes, but the Iliad quote is accurate, Zeus would not be threatened.
What??
The gods disobey zeus all the time in the illiad. Despite this declaration.
So they can defy him there as well.
Akakiru
- Nov 8, 2024
- #5
Acolyte said:
I think more they
are PJ Gods, but Zeus is Myth Zeus in Powers.
Myth Zeus, kind of could take them all, and win. They defend his Will, but not try to take him on Combat.
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Acolyte
- Nov 8, 2024
- #6
Akakiru said:
I think more they
are PJ Gods, but Zeus is Myth Zeus in Powers.
Myth Zeus, kind of could take them all, and win. They defend his Will, but not try to take him on Combat.
Not true at all, dude was trapped with a net by the various gods and ran from typhoon. He isn't like giga stronger than everyone. Just the strongest currently, hell his descendants is supposed to overthrow him eventually.
Akakiru
- Nov 8, 2024
- #7
Acolyte said:
They ran away. Zeus stayed and did fight and lost him. Till he won round 2.
Acolyte said:
That is always that way with the Gods and Prophecy.
Silvan Eldar
Failure Incarnate
- Sunday at 5:16 PM
- #8
Bluntly put, there isn't a plot. Homeric Zeus cannot be directly overcome, only worked around by playing on his psychological vulnerabilities, over-confidence/apathy, and better nature.
The entire Lightning Thief incident doesn't happen because Zeus just looks for the thief and instantly finds Luke, and tosses the kid into the Fields of Punishment after taking the Master Bolt back. Gaea doesn't bother waking up because she knows Zeus can destroy her actual body (the planet) at will.
Acolyte
- Monday at 6:12 AM
- #9
Silvan Eldar said:
Bluntly put, there isn't a plot. Homeric Zeus cannot be directly overcome, only worked around by playing on his psychological vulnerabilities, over-confidence/apathy, and better nature.
The entire Lightning Thief incident doesn't happen because Zeus just looks for the thief and instantly finds Luke, and tosses the kid into the Fields of Punishment after taking the Master Bolt back. Gaea doesn't bother waking up because she knows Zeus can destroy her actual body (the planet) at will.
Evidently not. Multiple time zeus has been hoodwinked. Like he is not omniscient at all. Refrence the trap again.
Silvan Eldar
Failure Incarnate
- Monday at 8:15 AM
- #10
Acolyte said:
Evidently not. Multiple time zeus has been hoodwinked. Like he is not omniscient at all. Refrence the trap again.
Eh. Helios explicitly sees everything under the Sun's light, and Zeus's sight is directly compared to his. Main thing is that he has to know what to look for. The net trap worked because Zeus wasn't expecting it, so he wasn't looking for it and therefore didn't see it coming. Catching him by surprise is really hard, but possible.
You get something similar when Hera donned Aphrodite's bridle to distract Zeus so Hypnos could put Zeus to sleep while he was distracted by his lust for Hera. If Zeus hadn't been preoccupied, he could have casually detected and resisted Hypnos's power, but since he was he fell to sleep at a critical moment in the Iliad…it just means that once Zeus woke up there was absolutely nothing Hypnos could do but flee.
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Siriel
CrW Moderator
- Monday at 8:17 AM
- #11
Zero difference because PJO Zeus has already been retconned to be able to depower the other gods, to have defeated a bunch of them including Poseidon teamed up against him, and to have been able to 1v1 Typhon (albeit attacking him while he was just waking up).
Characters were apparently just letting Poseidon keep his dignity when they suggested that the civil war in the lightning thief would get anywhere.
Acolyte said:
hell his descendants is supposed to overthrow him eventually.
No, one specific descendant was supposed to overthrow him, and was never born as a result.
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Silvan Eldar
Failure Incarnate
- Monday at 8:20 AM
- #12
Siriel said:
Zero difference because PJO Zeus has already been retconned to be able to depower the other gods, to have defeated teamed up against him, and to have been able to 1v1 Typhon (albeit attacking him while he was just waking up).
Characters were apparently just letting Poseidon keep his dignity when they suggested that the civil war in the lightning thief would get anywhere.
There are things that suggest that the Olympians generally and Zeus in particular have weakened since the old days in Greece and Rome, though it doesn't dispute your point since Zeus is still at the top.
Acolyte
- Monday at 9:20 AM
- #13
Siriel said:
No, one specific descendant was supposed to overthrow him, and was never born as a result
No, one of them will. Its inevitable. He keeps trying to stop it.
Siriel
CrW Moderator
- Monday at 9:41 AM
- #14
Acolyte said:
No, one of them will. Its inevitable. He keeps trying to stop it.
Based on what are you saying this, exactly?
Acolyte
- Monday at 9:42 AM
- #15
Siriel said:
Its just the curse of kronos. His child will overthrow him like he did his own father.
It doesn't specify any particular child
Akakiru
- Monday at 9:44 AM
- #16
You mixing up Kronos and Zeus
Zeus was told it was a son by Metis reason he eat her. Not of any child he will have
Kronos was any child he will have.
Siriel
CrW Moderator
- Monday at 9:54 AM
- #17
Acolyte said:
Its just the curse of kronos. His child will overthrow him like he did his own father.
It doesn't specify any particular child
The only such curse I'm aware of is brought up by Aeschylus in Prometheus Bound, which was specifically tied to Thetis fathering a son mightier than his father. It's neither a consistent aspect of Greek mythology nor as far as I can remember is it brought up in Percy Jackson.
foolish archon
- Monday at 9:55 AM
- #18
Siriel said:
The only such curse I'm aware of is brought up by Aeschylus in Prometheus Bound, which was specifically tied to Thetis fathering a son mightier than his father. It's neither a consistent aspect of Greek mythology nor as far as I can remember is it brought up in Percy Jackson.
was brought up in one of the extra books
Siriel
CrW Moderator
- Monday at 10:01 AM
- #19
foolish archon said:
Which one? Greek Gods is the one that covers Kronos' initial defeat, and while it mentions the curse Ouranos placed on Kronos none of the variants of Kronos' defeat brought up mention him cursing Zeus.
foolish archon
- Monday at 10:02 AM
- #20
Siriel said:
Which one? Greek Gods is the one that covers Kronos' initial defeat, and while it mentions the curse Ouranos placed on Kronos none of the variants of Kronos' defeat brought up mention him cursing Zeus.
i am talking about the thetis thing
Fbiuzz
The Hunter of Beasts
- Yesterday at 7:20 AM
- #21
Percy Jackson's Greek Gods kinda retcon the power level in that Zeus could apparently, per Percy's own words, effortlessly 1v4 Posiedon, Apollo, Athena and Hera at once and the Olympian Rebellion only occured because they jumped him when he was asleep.
Apparently the whole 'civil war' scenario in the first book was just a farce the Gods made up so they can watch Percy on his quest.
Acolyte said:
Its just the curse of kronos. His child will overthrow him like he did his own father.
It doesn't specify any particular child
It did specify a particular child.
The only prophecy of him being overthrown are specifically if he has son by either Metis or Thetis.
Metis got taken care of and Thetis, Zeus simply had her married Peleus.
Silvan Eldar said:
The entire Lightning Thief incident doesn't happen because Zeus just looks for the thief and instantly finds Luke, and tosses the kid into the Fields of Punishment after taking the Master Bolt back.
The plot of the Lightning Thief looks even stupider since HoO and ToA not only confirm gods have mind-reading abilities and can peer into a person's souls to ID their divine parent and tell of their lying. But that Zeus is omniscient enough that he can view things as deep as Tartarus, with only the Pit of Chaos being the one thing he cannot properly see. Which means he could have casually checked if the Titans escaped or not.
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